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08/29/2007

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Jerry

[this is good] Actually, I'm writing a novel about it as we speak (write? type? converse?) and the canary islands (or more importantly Madeira) will play a part in it (possibly the second book, it's a trilogy). The problem lies with getting people out to it.

They may have been able to island hop to the Canaries in the way that aborigines island hopped to Australia, but even with the lower sea levels, that's a tremendous journey for a boat to make, let alone hunter/gatherers in dug out canoes. There's also the problem of finding hunter/gatherers in North Africa at that time. It was just as much a flaming waste as it is now. It's not until the Younger Dryas event (circa 9,000 to 10,000 BC) that the Sahara turns green and becomes the agricultural mecca that would in turn become Egypt.

Of course, by the Younger Dryas, the water levels will have risen to where the Canaries are distant and harder to get to. No. I place the dawn of civilization to be pretty much where you're at, only slightly to the south and west, out on the Celtic Shelf.

How do I rationalize that? You'll just have to wait for the book to come out. :-)

DB

Thanks for the comments - I look forward to reading the books. If you let me know the title of the first one & I'll look out for it.

There was certainly a Neolithic culture on the Canaries 7 they must have got there somehow. I don'tthink there's any technological barrier to Mesolithic people getting out there - the Polynesians covered much greater distances in dugout canoes & Heyerdal showed that a reed vessel could crosss the Atlantic.

Where the Mesolithic people could have come from originally is a more interesting question. How about Spain? They could have been pushed out by our own ancestors as they retreated from the glaciers.

All the best.

Jerry

Actually, that's one of the interesting things I've come upon from writing this and dealing with characters in their situation. It's not the technological barriers which holds back our advancement but social barriers, most specifically the desire not to innovate and not to explore. Both of these include a fierce gamble of ones livelihood. From our point of view looking backwards we can see that agriculture was a good thing, but from the hunter/gatherer's looking forwards you had to be either starving, insane or most probably both.

So far as Mesolithic people in Spain and Morocco. When the water levels were low, they might have been able to island hop, but why would they? You don't have to go far from the coast to be out of sight of land, and to sailors with little to no knowledge of the world, that prospect would be terrifying, much like us rocketing into outer space. It could have been climate problems. In my book the end of the Older Dryas turns France into a dustbowl and pushes everyone west where they hunt away any prospects of remaining hunter/gatherers. Unfortuntately, aside from the greening of the Sahara (circa 8,000 BC) its hard to find any decent information of what it was like before then. Basically it was a desert, but how intense and for how long, and whether it would grow to an extent that it would create a concentration of people in Morocco and force them through overpopulation into island hopping is hard to say (but it does sound good now doesn't it :-)

BTW It'll be called the Golden Axe by JD McDonnell.

DB

I see "The Celtic Shelf" is now out as an e-book. Is that how it's going to stay, or are there plans for a print version eventually?

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